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I like this site but some things disturb me about it

Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 11:24 pm
by jcarruth
I am new to the Padgett Messages, and in reading "The Gospel of God's Love Book 1 - The Padgett Messages," I did a little searching for Douglas Oreck (the book's publisher) and wound up spending a great deal of time here on new-birth.net. Here's what is disturbing me:

1) There is no contact information, so nowhere to ask the authors of this site my questions.

2) I am allowed to know about James E. Padgett, but not about all the other mediums represented on this website. Why can't I know about them as well? Information about them is non-existent (but their many messages aren't) and when I look for a contact us button, it is also missing. I can't even e-mail the administrator of this forum, as I am not allowed to even look at his profile.

May I know why, all these restrictions? And please don't say it doesn't matter. Please be respectful of what matters to me, as I would you.

3) James E. Padgett's messages seem to contain no information about the Course in Miracles, since it was published in 1976 and he was channeling his messages between 1912-1915. Yet there seems to be some channeled info on this site about the Urantia book, which I found most enlightening to read.

The Course in Miracles is purported to be channeled material from Jesus, and gives tons of information about how to become closer to God. Are all the modern-day mediums required to ignore this book in their messages? I'd love to have their perspective on this book, if any of your new-birth.net mediums deal with subject. So far, I have found no messages regarding ACIM. Is there a reason for this omission?

I ask to get clarity, not to create separation. Please understand that I am trying very hard to understand.

Thank you,

Jim Carruth

Re: I like this site but some things disturb me about it

Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2015 1:30 am
by Zara Borthwick
Hi Jim and Happy New Year.
Welcome to the New-Birth site and thank you for introducing yourself.

On the cover page of the website there is a ‘contact us’ link that will enable you to contact the Admin of this site where I am sure you and he will strike up a good conversation and he will answer any questions that you ask that are of a personal nature and relevant to your progression into the awareness of the potential of the Divine Love for you soul.

As far as the discretion of the mediums and their contact details, this is simply as it is not about the medium but the message that the reader will learn more. The soul development of the medium will ensure the quality of the message and as that is part of the working of the Spirit Law of Rapport and Communication, you as the reader will learn more about the medium as you read the medium’s presentations. If anyone mentions fear and does not encourage living love, then it is our responsibility to be wary about that information.

The Course in Miracles is a book that appeals so some and not to all. There would be no possible way for James Padgett to comment on the Course of Miracles as he died in 1923 and it was not his mandate to predict another work from Jesus or any spirit that may or may not come in the future. The work that James did was to reveal for the first and official time, the natural love of man and the Divine Love of God as a platform that provided a language for future generations to learn about the difference of choosing God’ Love in ones life or remaining simply of their own natural love. The lasting contribution James, Jesus and the spirit contributors made was to liberate the potential for us to learn about the workings of love, the Spirit Laws and Divine Love that are in existence of all mortal souls. Any one – spirit or man, will not surpass this.

I hope that I have dispelled some of the things that disturb you. After all, a river flows no higher that its source, so it is alway my intent to direct all to the Father and the Divine Love as a potential for your soul and that this Love may lead you to find the answers you soul is longing for.

With love,
Zara

Re: I like this site but some things disturb me about it

Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2015 2:05 am
by Geoff
Dear Jim,

Welcome (again)

jcarruth wrote:1) There is no contact information, so nowhere to ask the authors of this site my questions.


On this message forum these restrictions are vital. Its to stop all of us losing our email addresses to spammers. I have 15 years experience of this, and believe me its there for a very good reason. Once signed up, as you are, and APPROVED (which you are) you now can contact anyone else who is on this forum. The one thing you cant do, is bulk Private Message us all. Because I have had people do that. Sign up innocuously, then use Private Messages to contact our user base. I have not had any feedback that finding the "Contact Us" is hard, but anyway I just added a link to THIS Message Board that opens the Main Web site contact form. The contact form has LOTS of clever stuff to circumvent spammers and spiders. And yet it does not use captcha images!!!! I am very proud of that.

jcarruth wrote:2) I am allowed to know about James E. Padgett, but not about all the other mediums represented on this website. Why can't I know about them as well? Information about them is non-existent (but their many messages aren't) and when I look for a contact us button, it is also missing. I can't even e-mail the administrator of this forum, as I am not allowed to even look at his profile.


Regarding the rest of the mediums, I just replied to an email you sent me, so it seems you did find on the front page the contact link or perhaps it was after Zara mentioned it? For others who may be interested, I will repeat what i told you:

Yes its a good question, and its very deliberate. I first got involved about 15 years ago, just before a medium I call “H” started channeling Judas. At that time no effort was made to conceal his name, and indeed he was widely known and highly respected. But some of those who he respected hurt him very deeply with their criticisms, and he stopped channeling and walked away from all of us, cutting off all communication. About a year ago, I had a very good medium named W.V here in my home, and I took the opportunity to ask Judas if he would like to say something. I am exceedingly fond of Judas! He commented that 10 years later “H” remains “disaffected”. So the damage that can be done by well meaning folks who question a medium's work is huge. They are naturally sensitive, and they all are somewhat in doubt of whether they got it exactly right. Any medium who has no doubts is a very bad medium, in my book.

Because of that experience whenever a medium offers me their work, I very very strongly advise their being anonymous. They don't always agree, and W.V is well known in our circles, as is Al Fike and James Reid. Some of the older mediums Amada Reza and Catherine Stokes are also happy to be in the public eye. Nicholas Arnold is also in the public eye, so none of these people are unknown to us, but I don't think I will write a page on them till they have passed over, and its likely I will go first. LOL.

However I do have a page on Dr. Samuels, although you may not yet have found it: http://new-birth.net/misc/dr_daniel_g_samuels.htm

jcarruth wrote:3) James E. Padgett's messages seem to contain no information about the Course in Miracles, since it was published in 1976 and he was channeling his messages between 1912-1915. Yet there seems to be some channeled info on this site about the Urantia book, which I found most enlightening to read.

The Course in Miracles is purported to be channeled material from Jesus, and gives tons of information about how to become closer to God. Are all the modern-day mediums required to ignore this book in their messages? I'd love to have their perspective on this book, if any of your new-birth.net mediums deal with subject. So far, I have found no messages regarding ACIM. Is there a reason for this omission?


I also answered this by email as follows:

As regarding the ACIM I loved that book, and at the time of the copyright struggles I was one of those who distributed JCIM (under the counter and at risk of being sued) to those who asked for it. I was actually present at a Trance Session when Jesus was asked if he authored it. I cant find it on my site so it may not have been recorded. But he just laughed and said “I am a popular guy”. More recently one of our mediums did channel something on that, and it was a six sphere spirit who deliberately used Jesus’ name to facilitate distribution. So while its a great book, its realy a basic teaching book, and in fact it says that right in the beginning. Which then surprises me when folks make it their life’s purpose to study just that book.

So I dont think there is enough common platform between ACIM and Padgett to have that. A sixth sphere spirit has in fact REFUSED the soul path, sometimes deliberately other times just because they prefer what they currently believe rather than considering something else. So because the author does not know about the soul path, and very likely rejects that there is a soul path, there is little to share between ACIM and Padgett other than pure natural love stuff. And Padgett is about the LOST teachings of Jesus - the Soul Path. I think Zara pointed out that at the time of James Padgetts death in 1923, ACIM did not exist, so he could not have commented on it.

While the Urantia book avoids teaching about the soul path, and that leads people to believe you dont need to do anything to “fuse” or “become a Celestial”, nevertheless the Ubook has some very good stuff. And of course it has a great deal of detailed information about the soul spheres, so followers of that book EXPECT to reach the soul spheres, and I am very sure that if after death someone suggests they need to do xyz to achieve that, they will readily accept that advice. By the bye, if you liked Book IV, you may like these:

http://new-birth.net/lost_years_of_jesus.htm

http://new-birth.net/public_ministry_of_jesus.htm

hugs
Geoff

Re: I like this site but some things disturb me about it

Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2015 9:52 am
by jcarruth
Zara,

On the cover page of the website there is a ‘contact us’ link that will enable you to contact the Admin of this site where I am sure you and he will strike up a good conversation and he will answer any questions that you ask that are of a personal nature and relevant to your progression into the awareness of the potential of the Divine Love for you soul.


Yes, I finally found it after studying the site for a while. I was looking for the "contact us" button in the top nav bar that is customary on most websites today. I wrote Geoff and he responded to me right away, and I just finished my reply to him privately via e-mail.

The Course in Miracles is a book that appeals so some and not to all. There would be no possible way for James Padgett to comment on the Course of Miracles as he died in 1923 and it was not his mandate to predict another work from Jesus or any spirit that may or may not come in the future.


Yes, I believe I covered this point when I wrote in my original post:

James E. Padgett's messages seem to contain no information about the Course in Miracles, since it was published in 1976 and he was channeling his messages between 1912-1915. Yet there seems to be some channeled info on this site about the Urantia book, which I found most enlightening to read.


Your modern-day channelers on this site have channeled information on the Urantia book, which was published in 1955. ACIM has easily twice the readership of the Urantia, which has been dwindling in readership over the years. ACIM is growing in leaps and bounds in other countries, and has just been introduced to a new audience in China this month by one of its most popular teachers. The comment about Urantia's dwindling readership is from an interview I heard with Merritt Horn, one of the principle Urantia proponents and committee members, and the voice of the Urantia audiobook.

Why wouldn't one of your modern-day channelers wish to ask Jesus or Padgett about it, since Jesus seems to have no qualms about correcting the misinformation in the Bible about what he said, and the Course purports to be channeled directly from Jesus himself. From my point of view, the omission seems glaring to me, and a tad suspicious. Just an observation, and a fair point from my perspective.

I agree with your other points. Thank you for responding to me. These questions of mine are just questions. I am sure I will have many more, and some that can't be answered. Jesus doesn't promise to reveal everything, as he says in one of the Padgett Messages.

Still, I have to ask my questions, answered or not.

"Question everything, hold fast to that which is good." from Paul's letter to the Thessalonians.


Yours in Divine Love,

Jim

Re: I like this site but some things disturb me about it

Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2015 9:57 am
by jcarruth
Geoff,

I just finished an e-mail reply to your e-mail to me, then I found your post here. I think I said what I needed to say in the e-mail, so I won't repeat it again here. Thank you for getting back to me so quickly!

And as you can see, I just posted a reply to Zara here as well.

Yours in Divine Love,

Jim

Re: I like this site but some things disturb me about it

Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2015 10:55 am
by jcarruth
Geoff,

Continuing our e-mail conversation and taking it onto the forum:

(Referring to ACIM),
So while its a great book, its realy a basic teaching book, and in fact it says that right in the beginning.


Not sure I follow you here. What do you mean by teaching book? Don’t all books that deal with Jesus, channeled or otherwise, attempt to teach his message, and by this reasoning, aren’t they all teaching books? Aren’t Padgett’s books teaching books as well?

Well read the P Messages closely. If you can tell me that Book IV anywhere explains how to actually obtain Father’s Divine Love, which is what Jesus had, then I am all ears.


Point taken. I am new to the Padgett Messages, and am reading them closely now.

I don't have an exact quote to give you from Part IV because I don't know it by heart. How about "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind." That not do it for you?

Which then surprises me when folks make it their life’s purpose to study just that book.


Why does this surpise you - could you explain this comment a little bit more for me?

Because its a beginner book.


I don't have the Course memorized, but I will look hard and see if he explains how to obtain the Father's love, and get back to you with some quotes if you wish. I find it a simple book, but one that is hard to actually put into practice because of all the ego undoing that is needed. For this reason, I might disagree with you there - that it is a beginner book. But I hear you, and respect your opinion that you may have your reasons to view it as a beginner book.

We have channeled James Padgett. See : the bottom of this page: http://new-birth.net/misc/james_e_padgett.htm


Yes! I will read this. Looking forward to it.

So tell me WHERE you learn to reach out to Father in love until you can FEEL His Love burn in your heart? 


I first came across this concept while reading about Ramakrishna, who followed the Bhakti path. He prayed and prayed and prayed and cried out and begged constantly to feel the Father's love, until he became enlightened.

I also got a sense of this from most accounts of Jesus, channeled or otherwise, who put his relationship and his love for the Father first above all else. This seems to be the example he set out to establish, and taught it by his example.

Are we on the same page here?

Yours in Divine Love,

Jim

Re: I like this site but some things disturb me about it

Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2015 10:04 pm
by Geoff
I don't have an exact quote to give you from Part IV because I don't know it by heart. How about "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind." That not do it for you?


No because 2 billion Christians and 2 billion Muslims will claim that, but we know they are NOT following the DL path consciously. Its is one thing to have an occasional experience of "The Holy Spirit" as many do claim, and yet another to consciously bring this soul changing energy into you as a part of your daily devotions. When you have learned to get the fire in your heart, in response to heart centred prayer, then you will understand. This point is often so hard to explain to people, yet so important. However we do also know that a reasonable proportion of devout followers of these religions have some DL. But not enough to make any serious progress possible while on Earth. And they are supposed to transform their souls while here. And a double no because your quote ends up "with all your mind" and it has to be "with all your HEART" which is in there, then they go and mess it up. Keep the mind out of God-stuff!!!

I don't have the Course memorized, but I will look hard and see if he explains how to obtain the Father's love, and get back to you with some quotes if you wish. I find it a simple book, but one that is hard to actually put into practice because of all the ego undoing that is needed. For this reason, I might disagree with you there - that it is a beginner book. But I hear you, and respect your opinion that you may have your reasons to view it as a beginner book.


Aah well if you beat me up about ACIM I will call on Joseph, who was a long time ACIM follower - LOL. But I just opened my copy and Preface page ix bottom and page x top is one statement that the course is only a beginning, not an end.


I first came across this concept while reading about Ramakrishna, who followed the Bhakti path. He prayed and prayed and prayed and cried out and begged constantly to feel the Father's love, until he became enlightened.


I agree, and we have had it confirmed that Yogananda, and his guru both recognised the Divine Love, and I believe the Kriya Yoga was intended to fulfil exactly this purpose. Whether it does today, I don't know, because they made it a closed society. However what surprised me recently was to hear that Sai Baba, who also was a Bhakti follower, passed to the FOURTH - an intellectual sphere.


Are we on the same page here?


Looks like getting there. But rather than discussing other places, other people, how about YOU. Are you feeling the LOVE?

hugs
Geoff

Re: I like this site but some things disturb me about it

Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2015 11:00 pm
by Geoff
Regarding ACIM. I found it, page 156 of The Richard Messages, a wonderful recent book, published 2014:

This is also influenced by the development of the ‘aerial-like’ qualities of the brain of the medium. It is important for the medium to be able to allow the reception to occur. Of course there is a great variation in the quality and accuracy of the information given. I assure you that we will not offer you untrue information in order to direct you in any direction. You must take that statement on faith and your experience with us so far. There are many well-intentioned spirits with a desire to assist people on earth but whose knowledge is incomplete because they do not as yet have full access to the complete knowledge. A good example of this is ‘A Course in Miracles’ with which you are familiar and which you found valuable. This course as it is described contains much good information particularly with respect to perception in the world. However it does stray into error in many areas. The spirit purports to be Jesus and this is not so. The spirit (actually group of spirits) who presented this material knew that this was a deception that he was using to give the material greater credibility but considered that was a justifiable act. Jesus is a wonderful brother and spirit whose contribution to the lives of all of us is so grossly misunderstood by so many on the earth and in spirit. This misunderstanding contributes greatly to delays in progress of very many spirits here and of persons on earth. Anything that deviates from truth will have this effect.
Richard.


hugs
Geoff

Re: I like this site but some things disturb me about it

Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2015 8:05 am
by jcarruth
A good example of this is ‘A Course in Miracles’ with which you are familiar and which you found valuable. This course as it is described contains much good information particularly with respect to perception in the world. However it does stray into error in many areas. The spirit purports to be Jesus and this is not so. The spirit (actually group of spirits) who presented this material knew that this was a deception that he was using to give the material greater credibility but considered that was a justifiable act. Jesus is a wonderful brother and spirit whose contribution to the lives of all of us is so grossly misunderstood by so many on the earth and in spirit. This misunderstanding contributes greatly to delays in progress of very many spirits here and of persons on earth. Anything that deviates from truth will have this effect.
Richard.


Geoff - thank you for that. That's what I'm looking for.

Looks like getting there. But rather than discussing other places, other people, how about YOU. Are you feeling the LOVE?


Not yet. I've been doing the DL prayer for two days now. Can you get it that fast? That would be great.

YIDL,

Jim

Re: I like this site but some things disturb me about it

Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2015 10:26 pm
by Geoff
jcarruth wrote:Not yet. I've been doing the DL prayer for two days now. Can you get it that fast? That would be great.


Dear Jim,

Thats great that you are having a go. Can you get it fast? Well some folks reported that they got it first time. I certainly did not, took best part of 3 weeks, and boy was I determined. Not sure that being determined is the key however, but when I realised its pretty hard to FEEL love for Our Creator, because He seems so remote, and has been given such bad press, that I adopted the "switch" technique. That worked for me. Get into meditation, think about the person, animal or thing you love more than anything in the whole world. Get that feeling really going in your heart - and then SWITCH to thinking about Father, and realising He deserves even more.

Anyway best of luck. You may also like to listen to the prayer dictated by Care Walsh - here.

hugs
Geoff