The reality or otherwise of "ghosts"

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The reality or otherwise of "ghosts"

Postby Geoff » Mon Nov 09, 2009 11:14 pm

A good friend of mine, who as far as I am concerned, is a very good receiver, has in the past received curious information from his main guide, ABC22. In short Bzutu, as we call him, insists that ghosts and possibly many we call "earth bounds" are simply packets of energy, devoid of a soul. Leftovers from a distorted earth life, that cannot be absorbed by the universe in that negative state.

This kinda lands me with a totally new piece of the jigsaw of life, that I cannot neatly place in my pattern. I think it needs a lot more info from Bzutu, but he has said this is a very complex topic, that they try very hard to avoid talking about, because of the potential for negativity that can arise. I had a private message from Jesus that conveyed the same idea.

This does not mean that I assume every negative entity we meet is devoid of a soul, clearly James Padgett dealt with a large number who had souls, and were very keen to improve their condition.

But, taking the notion further, if without a soul, they cannot improve their "position" nor worsen it, and are just angry thought forms. For all that, Bzutu cautions that they are dangerous. It seems they can act, and react, and pretty much act just like an entity with a real soul.

When George publishes his two messages, I will post them here so you can read them, and ponder the implications.

I still think that talking to these guys and getting them to "go to the light", works, but perhaps it means they are absorbed in some way by Gaia, rather than passing into the Spirit Spheres. Sadly Gaia is a topic not dealt with in the P Messages. George did personally help one of these energy packets to move on, although it was not clear that she was devoid of a soul, nor was it clear that she did not just go to the Spirit Spheres. Sigh, I wish these things were simpler.

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Re: The reality or otherwise of "ghosts"

Postby Geoff » Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:26 am

Illawarra District, Australia, November 6, 2009.
Midwayer Chief, Bzutu (ABC22).
Subject: “A Little about the Borderland.” (Part One).

Received by George Barnard.

Bzutu: “You, my dear friend earned a stripe to be sewn onto your tunic for your writing on ‘Approximate Truth.’ We have all read it, enjoyed it, and it is with special permission, well-earned by you, that we broach the subject most of us do not wish to converse about. We know its there, but we avoid it. It’s unbelievably complicated, so we generally prefer to not talk about it. It is in fact a can of worms we try to keep the lid on, another approximate, imperfect truth. However, we are prepared to give you a little about the Borderland, as a relatively little is all you will comprehend.

“The Borderland is something that can impact on your lives, if you let it. The Borderland is something that can impact on our lives, but we don’t let it, yet we can be instrumental in cleaning some of it up, when the time is right, and when we are instructed to do so. And here you need to accept that there is a form of physicality about everything in time-space – your body, my body, your thoughts, my thoughts, your emotions and mine – all these have physicality of a kind. And still, what would this universe be without an exception to this rule – the Spark of God that indwells you, which remains pure spirit, yet penetrates time-space? The wonder of it all!

“The Borderland is not a place directly between your (linear) dimensions and the Midway realm, where we Midwayers live. In a manner of speaking, it is off to one side of both of us – an oddity. As well, there are three distinct areas, which as a group are classed as the Borderland. And yes, they can impact on all of us in some way, even on the angels, if we let them. So, here let me give you some healthy advice: Do not jump from an airplane without a chute if you love your family; do not wander out on thin ice if your life insurance payment is overdue; do not cross the freeway blindfolded in peak-hour traffic, especially not if you are proudly wearing your $500.00 suit. I jest, of course! However, more important than all this: Do not fool with Ouija boards if you value your sanity.

“That which occupies the Borderland realms is awaiting resolution in higher spheres. We do not have a word for you to describe them, other than to call them packets, bundles of information, which have no personality, no soul. Perhaps somewhat more important about their inability to help resolve their status quo is the fact that they have no realization of the passing of time. There are many kinds of these packets or bundles of three distinct kinds, and all are in some way too troubled to be allowed to be absorbed by the evolutionary Deities of time-space.

“You are here not brutally thrown into a killer whirlpool from a tall cliff, oh no, because you and I as a team with many onlookers were instrumental in helping resolve the Virginia Jamieson case. I suggest you prepare for making it available somehow.

“We’re done here for now, and all is well if you should be wondering when you transcribe. I say Adieu, and I’ll be here when you are ready for more.”

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Re: The reality or otherwise of "ghosts"

Postby Geoff » Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:18 am

Is funny (not) how things come together. Here is this very book I read:

There was one man whom I saw who appeared to be enclosed in a cage of ice; the bars were of ice, yet they were as bars of polished steel for strength. This man had been one of the Grand Inquisitors of the Inquisition in Venice, and had been one of those whose very names sent terror to the heart of any unfortunate who fell into their clutches; a most celebrated name in history, yet in all the record's of his life and acts there was not one instance where one shade of pity for his victims had touched his heart and caused him to turn aside, even for one brief moment, from his awful determination in torturing, and killing those whom the Inquisition got into its toils. A man known for his own hard austere life, which had no more indulgence for himself than for others. Cold and pitiless, he knew not what it was to feel one answering throb awake in his heart for another's sufferings. His face was a type of cold unemotional cruelty: the long thin high nose, the pointed sharp chin, the high and rather wide cheek bones, the thin straight cruel lips like a thin line across the face, the head somewhat flat and wide over the ears, while the deep-set penetrating eyes glittered from their penthouse brows with the cold steely glitter of a wild beast's.
Like a procession of spectres I saw the wraiths of some of this man's many victims glide past him, maimed and crushed, torn and bleeding from their tortures - pallid ghosts, wandering astral shades, from which the souls had departed forever, but which yet clung around this man, unable to decay into the elements whilst his magnetism attached them, like a chain, to him. The souls and all the higher elements had forever left those - which were true astral shells - yet they possessed a certain amount of vitality - only it was all drawn from this man, not from the released spirits which had once inhabited them. They were such things as those ghosts are made of which are seen haunting the spot where some one too good and innocent to be so chained to earth, has been murdered. They seem to their murderers and others to live and haunt them, yet the life of such astrals (or ghosts) is but a reflected one, and ceases as soon as remorse and repentance have sufficed to sever the tie that links them to their murderers.
Other spirits I saw haunting this man, and taunting him with his own helplessness and their past sufferings, but these were very different looking; they were more solid in appearance and possessed a power and strength and intelligence wanting in those other misty-looking shades. These were spirits whose astral forms still held the immortal souls imprisoned in them, though they had been so crushed and tortured that only the fierce desire of revenge remained. These spirits were incessant in their endeavor to get at their former oppressor and tear him to pieces, and the icy cage seemed to be regarded by him as being as much a protection from them as a prison for himself. One more clever than the rest had constructed a long, sharp-pointed pole which he thrust through the bars to prod at the man- within, and wonderful was the activity he displayed in trying to avoid its sharp point. Others had sharp short javelins which they hurled through the bars at him. Others again squirted foul, slimy water, and at times the whole crowd would combine in trying to hurl themselves en masse upon the sheltering bars to break through, but in vain. The wretched man within, whom long experience had taught the impregnability of his cage, would taunt them in return with a cold crafty enjoyment of their fruitless efforts.


This suggests there can be "packets", (what I would perhaps think of as thought forms) but not all are packets that one encounters in the earth plane and surroundings.
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Re: The reality or otherwise of "ghosts"

Postby Geoff » Thu Nov 12, 2009 2:55 am

Illawarra District, Australia, November 7, 2009.
Midwayer Chief, Bzutu (ABC22).
Subject: “A Little About the Borderland.” (Part Two).

Received by George Barnard.

Bzutu: “We’re back to discuss some more on the subject of the Borderland. Firstly we need to acknowledge that human beings are amongst the most complex creatures in the universes in that their forward striving minds, together with the Spark of the Creator produce progress for the soul. It is this soul and the Spark of God that carry on after the biological machine that is your body is worn out. However, in your earthly lives and beyond, you are productive of recorded experiences that are ‘absorbed’ by the evolutionary Deities – The Deity Supreme, the Deity Infinite, and the Deity Ultimate.

“These are the evolving Gods of time in space and may appropriately be seen as the time-space reflection of the Paradise Trinity. Therefore it is correct to suggest that the Paradise Trinity is reproducing Itself in the Universes of time-space, and they are the total of positive experiences of you, and me, and everyone else, that evolve these still embryonic Gods. Our combined efforts in the case of our solving of the Virginia Jamieson problem served the embryo of our Planetary Supreme, Urantia, or Gaia, on behalf of whom we Midwayers constantly labor.

“There is another way of describing this for perhaps an even fuller understanding. The Virginia Jamieson ‘packet’ or ‘bundle’ was due for release, as the soul and Thought Adjuster of the real Virginia Jamieson dwelling on Mansonia had finally overcome the extreme trauma of her violent demise, forgiven in full, and so it was time for Urantia to absorb both experiences – the horror and the satisfactory resolution. Be assured these events occur on other, normal worlds as well, but not to the degree they occur on this troubled world. Remember also the great joy you felt after completing this long-ago project with me. That joy was soul-felt, and yet, at that time, you had no idea about how, or even why, we used you.

“Human lives leave their detailed imprint on the Thought Adjuster as well as on the evolutionary Deities, but not one of these is in the least interested in the negative. Neither should you be interested in . . . fooling with these packets of unresolved anger, fear, denial, and rampant emotion – least of all call them demons or devils, for the latter are here no more. They are fully rehabilitated, or have been vanquished. However, do not expect the Borderland to be fully disinfected in any great hurry, even in a few thousand years from now. Stay balanced and prayerful, knowing that a Spark of the Creator that indwells you, also protects you, you lucky humans.

“This is Midwayer Chief ABC-22, suggesting my human loudspeaker put down his recorder, and allow himself some well-deserved rest. Goodnight.”

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Re: The reality or otherwise of "ghosts"

Postby Geoff » Thu Nov 12, 2009 7:09 am

Actually this book, Traveler in the Spirit Lands has a chapter on the various forms of "entity" that can be found in the Astral Plane. Very interesting to me, but probably more than many would be interested to hear about. I plan on summarising that, as its a lot to take in. But its very good, IMHO.
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Re: The reality or otherwise of "ghosts"

Postby AngelB » Thu Jul 15, 2010 12:43 am

Board,

If I am not mistaken, there were previous messages that stated that aliens, or beings from other planets, were in fact were what we commonly refer to as "earth-bound" spirits, not necessarily demons, but of the lower realms of the spirit world, as we can best call it. So I assume that such spirits existed as entities rather than surges of energy. However, in lite of this last article it seems like it opens up the possibility that spiritual energy exists in places where no actual spirit beings or entities are located. What this makes me think of is how people can use their 6th sense to detect areas of like negative or dark energy...as if it were a remnant of a previous spirit or moral's habitation in which they left their "spiritual imprint" behind. This I beleive resembles the old myth where I've been told not to live or go to a room/house where someone has died. The letter's theory would then perhaps suggest that even though the person of the spirit is not earth-bound to that location, they essentially dumped that spiritual enrgy in that location, and since enrgy is of some physical essence, that "stuff" left behind may never have been removed. This then seems to beg the question: How does one cleanse these areas of negative spiritual energy?

On a related note, my own personal interest has been how do I clean negative spirits that cling to my ownself at times. I know that my own psychological and spiritual state has much to do with the spirits I attract; anxieties attracting lower spirits and hopes attracting higher spirits. But in relation to the article is the issue of certain areas and places having their own energies. In the past I have been more sensitive to how the "ambiance" of a location effects my state of spirituality and the spirits I attract. Previously I believed that certain areas would dictate the spiritual energy I felt while going to them, but then I experienced having good energies in places I though were inherently of bad energy and visa versa. So I then concluded that the spiritual enregy an area eminated is in some relation to our psychological taste/likes of that area. Nevertheless I still think certain areas and places have energies stuck to them. The question again is what is this caused by - spirits inhabiting that location, imprints of spiritual enrgy, or our own pyschological like/disliek of that place. To me it is a combination of all of the above.

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Re: The reality or otherwise of "ghosts"

Postby Geoff » Sat Jul 17, 2010 11:49 pm

Dear AngelB,

No I am pretty sure we have never posted that aliens were the "ghosts". The issue really is all about resolving one source of spiritual information, namely the Urantia Book, that pretty much says dead folks go to the Mansion Worlds and are not allowed to communicate with us. That being the case, there would appear to be no scope for ghosts being dead humans from this planet. The Padgett Messages do not cover the topic of ghosts, and also do not state that humans cannot communicate, indeed all the communication is from dead humans. But very few books describe what I would call the Astral Plane. Only two that I have found - both in my fav books section: http://new-birth.net/books_life_after_death.htm namely, A Subaltern in Spirit Land - a Sequel to Gone West Part One by J.S.M.Ward and A Wanderer in the Spirit Lands by Franchezzo, transcribed by A. Farnese. Now I have pdfs of those books on that link, and even an extract of the latter one here: The Astral Plane

So, its clear that dead folks can be found in a realm that is not the Spirit Spheres/Mansion Worlds. What was left to reconcile was Bzutu's communications a number of times about "ghosts" being just empty packets of energy. That eventually becomes clear reading the first of those two books, when you discover that the astral shell can be vacated by the soul/spirit body.

On a related note, my own personal interest has been how do I clean negative spirits that cling to my ownself at times. I know that my own psychological and spiritual state has much to do with the spirits I attract; anxieties attracting lower spirits and hopes attracting higher spirits.


On the occasion when I have felt an attachment, I eventually got rid of it by prayer. But I have also had my aura "cleansed" by someone simply using their hands to wipe it clean, starting at the crown and working down the body, a few inches off the skin. It sure felt light afterwards. In general as we succeed in raising our own spiritual level, these things "slip" off. On the other point, we certainly can raise the energy level in a room, or even a house. Particularly the room that I use for meditation is often commented on as having a nice energy.

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