Working Through Fear

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Working Through Fear

Postby Jos » Thu Sep 08, 2011 7:39 pm

Hi Geoff (And All)!

By way of introduction for those that don't know me, I've found my way (back) here through the 11:11 message board. I've been on my "official" spiritual journey (meaning actually TRYING to grow spiritually) for about 5 years. I am stuck, and have been for a while searching for a truth...a truth that is hard to recognize because fear gets in the way.

The truth I am searching for is how to distinguish fear from evil. Is there a way?

Can evil entities harm you either emotionally or physically or spiritually?

Before I get into the rest, (thank GOD Geoff already knows me from the other board...for the rest of you, I swear I'm not a nutter!)

Growing up I had a friend who had some sort of entities in her house. I witnessed some inexplicable sounds and movement of furniture. Supposedly the entity additionally became violent against the people living in the house before they finally had an exorcism performed. I have a history of "dreams" that felt evil. They don't sound scary (except two of them), but left me extremely distressed. It's been so long since the dreams started that I can't honestly say which came first - the dreams or the situation in my fiend's house.

The first dream happened when I was about 12 - 14 years old. I was in my kitchen and something (unseen but scary feeling) started pulling at my feet. I ran upstairs to find my mom and tell her what happened. I sat in her lap and she was scratching my back to soothe me as I told her the story. I turned to look at her and something was scratching my back but nothing was there and I instantly felt terrified. After that, for years I had dreams that scary feeling energy was pulling me up in the air and spinning me violently. I would wake suddenly and was left terrified. The dreams were not every night, but frequent enough.

Finally, when I was in my mid 20's I had a "dream" that I was being raped by Satan (no, he did not have horns and was not red), but I KNEW it was Satan. "Rape" may be the wrong word - he was " having his way with me" and I was not fighting back, but I was disgusted and wanted nothing to do with it. This dream was so real that it affected my relationship with my husband for years until I just forced myself to stop thinking about it. Around that same time I learned that we could alter repetitive dreams by planning a response while fully conscious. My plan was to call on Jesus to save me. I've only had to use this technique a few times and it works well.

As you can imagine, these experiences, combined with my Catholic Upbringing (combined with a touch of Jehovah's Witness influence) caused me some fear to attempt meditation. With the help of some dear friends I did finally start meditating without any bad experiences.

About a month ago now, I had a bad experience while meditating. It IS possible that I drifted into sleep although I can not say for sure. I had been having trouble "connecting", and finally I saw someone very vaguely, she said "Perhaps she needs to go to Hamilton Beach and meditate for an hour or so." The next thing I know, I was "awake", I tried to move, and thought I did, but then would realize I had not moved at all. This continued for quite a while until...(this is really hard for me to share, and frankly embarrassing, I apologize if it makes anyone uncomfortable...but I NEED to get to the bottom of this)..."something" caused me to touch myself (in a personal place)...once I had done what it wanted, I was "released" from this sleep type paralysis. It did not occur to me to call on Jesus as I have in the past with my "spinning" dreams. I woke terrified and afraid to meditate again.

How can I determine if this is something evil? Especially if I am afraid to meditate. Frankly I am even fearful of reading about evil because it seems that it adds to my bad dream experiences.

I always take the time to surround myself in God's protection, but I guess I it is possible that it became "routine" and I did not do a good job with it.

Ok....more on truth and fear....

I am a very open minded individual who has been brought up with some degree of bible teaching. It is rather ingrained that the bible is supposed to be my ONLY source of spiritual guidance (although as you know Geoff, I don't stick to that...but it DOES play with my ability to fully believe other possible truths). So...it is hard for me to fully believe that Lucifer is no more.....

How can one get to the point where they can put that fear aside. Remember, I was brought up that you pray through Jesus to God (Jesus is like the internet server :mrgreen: ) I actually had a thought yesterday...my own mega-conspiracy theory...."Is it possible that Lucifer is using LOVE to cause me to vear away from bible teachings...to lure me into contacting beings that are acting like loving beings, but in reality it is Lucifer's mega-conspiracy to lure us away from God". I'm not sure how to pose an actual question for this statement, but I'm hoping you can help me wade through all this.

LOVE!!!! And thanks!!!!
Sammy

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Re: Working Through Fear

Postby Geoff » Fri Sep 09, 2011 12:00 am

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Gee there is a great deal to cover there. Lets go to basics.

1. Evil exists
2. The Law of Attraction is what causes evil to coalesce, as also good to coalesce. If you are evil, you attract evil. The good news is as you raise your spiritual level, by desire and practise, so too do you REMOVE yourself from the level at which evil is permitted to occupy.

Now, you have had some nasty things happen. That certainly means you have strong mediumistic abilities, and it does not mean you are evil. But I agree I would be quite disturbed myself with the most recent event. But lets get some background first. Now I am going to be forced to talk about something that I am a bit reluctant to talk about. Self-pleasuring. That's because I do NOT claim to be 100% sure of my answer here. I can tell you MY answer, but I do not have a generic answer, and have never seen one channeled.

Firstly you need to drop the Catholic "one shot and you are dead" notion. The old one mortal sin and you are in hell is simply not the Truth. But the Truth is actually harder to communicate accurately. The notion of "mortal" sins and "venial" sins has merit in trying to classify things, but it also has many limitations. Not least of which is that it is the way you THINK, that determines soul condition. Not the acts you execute, although I would quickly add, that to do something means you first had to think that way. But its the reverse I am the more interested in. You could think a great deal about killing someone, and you could actually reach the same soul condition (poor) as one who has done such a thing. So thinking is in effect bringing yourself to pretty much the same place as doing. But we are not talking about fleeting thoughts here, we are talking about INDULGED thoughts.

So, one incident of self-pleasure is not going to send anyone to hell. The question that I cannot answer as a general thing, is "does pleasuring yourself regularly have a negative spiritual outcome." I have answered it for myself, and my personal answer is YES. So its something I have worked at, and no longer is an issue for me, even if I am celibate for long periods of time. All I can suggest that if this is an issue for anyone, that they try to discern guidance on the matter.

So why was I bothered about your tale. Simply because it appeared that something was trying to take you there, plus you related a typical "incubus" story earlier. Now you are not the first to tell of such incidents. I don't know how to place them, except I suspect astral traveling humans (not dead guys) might be the cause of some of these. Are there any discarnates that could get up to this sort of thing? I don't know, but in the Padgett messages and other places, we frequently hear of similar stories with alcoholics, so I actually don't see why dead humans would not also be involved in this sort of thing.

The issue then is how to stop such things, and prevent them happening in the future.

In the short term, you can always ask for immediate help. Call on Jesus, Michael, or anyone who is your favourite. Many years ago I called on Mary (good catholic boy) and got an immediate protection. You have a guide whose job is to protect you, and as soon as YOU choose to walk in the light, they will do their job without fail.

That's incident by incident. How about long term? There is only one way, and that is raising your spiritual level. And I don't know any better or faster method than praying for Divine love.

Can you get physically hurt in these things? I don't know of any case myself, but I surely know of people who have told me they have been scratched etc. And I also know of cases in the famous book :"30 years among the dead"

I suspect in order to get an injury, a significant amount of "ectoplasm" needs to be present, meaning someone close by is a strong medium. That's an intelligent guess on my part. These cases of poltergeist activity generally happen in homes where there are young children, because they are a good source of ectoplasm, the "energy" that spirit needs to create material effects in our realm, from their realm.

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Geoff
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Re: Working Through Fear

Postby Jos » Fri Sep 09, 2011 12:01 am

Another question (already) -

How does one determine if these "dreams" are just bad dreams or some sort of "attachment"? Can one figure it out themselves or does it require an "attachment specialist" I've seen mentioned in another thread?

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Sammy

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Re: Working Through Fear

Postby Geoff » Fri Sep 09, 2011 12:04 am

Dear Sammy,

Gee thats hard, I think you have a "feeling" it was not a dream.

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Re: Working Through Fear

Postby Geoff » Fri Sep 09, 2011 12:07 am

."Is it possible that Lucifer is using LOVE to cause me to vear away from bible teachings...to lure me into contacting beings that are acting like loving beings, but in reality it is Lucifer's mega-conspiracy to lure us away from God"


Dear Sammy,

Not that's not possible. Evil, exists, and does not use the tools of love. They cannot use the tools of love. Jesus answered this in the Bible, as he was accused of healing by the power of the devil.

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Re: Working Through Fear

Postby Jos » Fri Sep 09, 2011 12:47 am

Thank you for all of that Geoff!

Firstly you need to drop the Catholic "one shot and you are dead" notion.
I'm good here...I never did buy into that one. :mrgreen:

we frequently hear of similar stories with alcoholics, so I actually don't see why dead humans would not also be involved in this sort of thing.
I am understanding this to mean "if I have a focus on self pleasuring" as an alcoholic focuses on drinking...if that is what you mean, no, it is not a focus for me.

So why was I bothered about your tale. Simply because it appeared that something was trying to take you there, plus you related a typical "incubus" story earlier
I had to go look up the word "incubus" :o

In the short term, you can always ask for immediate help. Call on Jesus, Michael, or anyone who is your favourite. Many years ago I called on Mary (good catholic boy) and got an immediate protection.
Isn't there an Archangel Michael who's is a warrior ? I want him protecting me! :sword:

You have a guide whose job is to protect you, and as soon as YOU choose to walk in the light, they will do their job without fail.
Here I am at a loss...because I thought I was walking in the light. :oops: Now I am certainly not perfect...I have my grumpy moments with the kids and occasionally curse at bad drivers...I guess I will just try harder and try to better maintain that perfect love feeling.

I have to really thank you for all you wrote...the good and the bad...the bad has me all fired up to fight the GOOD fight!

So it sounds like I don't have to worry about an attachment. I will call for extra help immediately and go read the links you provided!

THANK YOU SOOOOOO much again for providing a place where I could safely discuss this. I finally feel hopeful! This has been weighing me down for a LONG time.

One last question...any suggestions on when to start meditating again? Should I focus on praying for Divine Love for a while and raise my spiritual level before attempting meditation?

LOVE!!!!
Sammy

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Re: Working Through Fear

Postby Geoff » Fri Sep 09, 2011 1:07 am

Sammy wrote: Isn't there an Archangel Michael who's is a warrior ? I want him protecting me! :sword:


There is actually only ONE discarnate called "Michael", in deference to his status, and so you always get the same guy. :lol: But he's a very good guy. :banana: :banana: :banana:

Sammy wrote: So it sounds like I don't have to worry about an attachment. I will call for extra help immediately and go read the links you provided!


I would assume not, unless you get more evidence. And yes I would focus on the love, and when the time feels right, go back to meditation.

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Re: Working Through Fear

Postby Jos » Fri Sep 09, 2011 2:09 am

Hi Again!

Another question.....

In one of the messages it said to pray from your soul (I don't recall the exact words)...but with heart felt emotion. I read the prayer for Divine Love...although beautiful, I can't get past the thy's and thines (it would be hard for me to "feel" this prayer rather than just recite it)...Can I just create my own heart/soul felt prayer to accomplish the same thing?

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Re: Working Through Fear

Postby Geoff » Fri Sep 09, 2011 2:18 am

Sammy wrote:Hi Again!

Another question.....

In one of the messages it said to pray from your soul (I don't recall the exact words)...but with heart felt emotion. I read the prayer for Divine Love...although beautiful, I can't get past the thy's and thines (it would be hard for me to "feel" this prayer rather than just recite it)...Can I just create my own heart/soul felt prayer to accomplish the same thing?

LOVE!!!!
Sammy


Absolutely, but here is a modern version: http://new-birth.net/prayer4.htm

and there is one on YouTube that's narrated: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4WdGwt-X9A

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Re: Working Through Fear

Postby Geoff » Fri Sep 09, 2011 2:23 am

Isn't there an Archangel Michael who's is a warrior ? I want him protecting me! :sword:


I had forgotten this extract, see right at the end about guides: http://new-birth.net/misc/misc20.htm

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