Through the Mists - R J Lees Chapter 1

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Through the Mists - R J Lees Chapter 1

Postby Amanda Stracey » Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:10 am

Welcome everyone to what I hope will be a discussion of the fascinating information to be found in this book.

Here is a link to an explanation of how the book came to be written

http://www.rjlees.co.uk/Books_how_written.htm

The first line of the first chapter relates how Aphraar was seen as a misanthrope - Misanthropy is generalized dislike, distrust, disgust, contempt or hatred of the human species or human nature. A misanthrope, or misanthropist is someone who holds such views or feelings. The word's origin is from Greek words μῖσος (misos, "hatred") and ἄνθρωπος (anthrōpos, "man, human being"). He provides a little explanation of how his life experience may have cause him to be in this state.

It would be interesting to hear your views on what stood out for you about the first chapter in terms of what it says or does not say about Aphraar, the spiritual life, the transition, and God's nature.

I'm going to post some further information of Victorian Life in the East End of London to give a flavour of the gap between rich and poor, the attitude of the rich to the poor and the reality of life for a poor person in London at that time. I'm not well travelled but if we think of developing countries today where there is economic development - Brazil and India spring to mind - where the poor flock to urban centres to earn a living, slums are created, living conditions are generally terrible but its better than starvation, we might be on the right track.

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Re: Through the Mists - R J Lees Chapter 1

Postby Geoff » Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:48 pm

Dear Amanda,

Great to see you here, and thanks too for the post. I think what contributed to Aphraar's state of mind, is that his mother died in childbirth, and her felt her loss immensely. It seems his father was only interested in money and business. So he got no love there. I am not sure the epithet is totally accurate, because he had a great love for the underprivileged. He certainly did not hate "everyone", in fact its probable he did not hate his father, merely had no regard or respect for him. But I think there is also a reference to his nearly committing suicide over being jilted by someone he loved greatly and hoped to marry. That too would not have helped. It may be more a case that he had difficulty establishing/finding a loving relationship with another adult. He obviously loved children.

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Re: Through the Mists - R J Lees Chapter 1

Postby Doles » Fri Mar 09, 2012 2:33 am

Hi all,
I have to say that until I read Aphraar's account I actually thought something was really wrong with me I had thought I simply had problems with too many people. I also agree with Geoff's assessment that Aphraar didn't actually hate everyone. In fact, I'm getting that he was really loving hanging out with the outcasts.
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Re: Through the Mists - R J Lees Chapter 1

Postby LiminaL969 » Fri Mar 09, 2012 3:03 am

If I recall correctly I remember him being more of a "loner" than a misanthrope. Seems like a slight mis-usage. He didn't inherently dislike people, he just disliked the actions and values of many people.

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Re: Through the Mists - R J Lees Chapter 1

Postby Geoff » Fri Mar 09, 2012 3:27 am

Dear Dean,

Yes I think that is far more accurate, to describe his situation. Life had soured him, but he did not as far as I can see, actually hate anyone. He had been let down, badly, by some adults. He had a HUGE heart. That he progressed so far, and so fast once he hit the Spirit Spheres is proof of that.

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Re: Through the Mists - R J Lees Chapter 1

Postby LiminaL969 » Fri Mar 09, 2012 3:42 am

Not to spoil the plot, but again if I recall correctly he pretty much stayed a "loner" in the spirit realm.

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Re: Through the Mists - R J Lees Chapter 1

Postby Geoff » Fri Mar 09, 2012 4:18 am

LiminaL969 wrote:Not to spoil the plot, but again if I recall correctly he pretty much stayed a "loner" in the spirit realm.


Not sure there is the slightest evidence of that. He moved on beyond his mother, and was trying to encourage her to START progressing. He was quite concerned that she seemed to have no desire in that direction. He made it very clear that the relationship between himself and his mother was not that of a son and mother, but more like two adults who love each other. He was always overwhelmed by the love, care and attention he received from the advanced spirits who responded to his requests for help and knowledge. To be honest, we don't actually know much about who he was, in the last book. That book is rather vague about what he was doing for the previous 30? years in spirit.

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Re: Through the Mists - R J Lees Chapter 1

Postby William » Fri Mar 09, 2012 9:31 am

Hi Amanda,
In chapter one, the part that truly stood out was the arrival on the slop. That fact that Fred (as he was then) found himself on the slops. He didn't get taken there as others had reported, he just became aware that he was somewhere else. In other reports I've read, people are regularly greeted by a spirit where their body lies and escorted to the slops ( arrival area ). I noticed he said that he saw spirits going into the mists and returning, in some cases carrying people out or helping new spirits through. The most recent account of this I have read was Judas when he died. He was greeted and then taken to the slops ( arrival place) until he realised his soul condition. Very similar to Fred's account really. Especially in the following chapters. It leads to the questions we all secretly ask......How will it happen for me? And what will my soul condition be at that time? Those questions were my strongest thoughts at chapter one. I had read a lot of the Padgett messages so those questions weighed heavily.
I agree that he seemed to be a loner as Dean said, but I felt under that he was utterly disillusioned with the world around him ( I bet we have all felt that way at some time). He found the only place that he could be comfortable with the people who were not as well off as he.
His arrival and brief encounter with a spirit really gets my attention. The first time I read it I couldn't wait to see what was next.
B.

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Postby Mike Katz » Fri Mar 09, 2012 5:44 pm

Hi Amanda
What stands out for me in chapter 1 is that Fred never lost his faith. He was not on good terms with the church, he was aware of how everyone, his father included, bought salvation, and yet his faith remained true.
I suppose in those days there was not much room for an atheistic point of view. Nevertheless, it would have been easily possible for Fred to live a kind of agnostic and completely secular life, without giving a moment's thought to spiritual values. On the contrary, Fred came to see that God is always there despite the church and its self-serving structures.

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Re: Through the Mists - R J Lees Chapter 1

Postby Geoff » Fri Mar 09, 2012 10:51 pm

William wrote:Hi Amanda,
In chapter one, the part that truly stood out was the arrival on the slop. That fact that Fred (as he was then) found himself on the slops. He didn't get taken there as others had reported, he just became aware that he was somewhere else. In other reports I've read, people are regularly greeted by a spirit where their body lies and escorted to the slops ( arrival area ).


Hi Bill, ???? "slop" = "slope"?

Yes its in many ways similar to people who awaken in a spirit hospital, yet we know that he was not sick. This aspect is rather hard to fathom, in the absense of anything channeled that helps to clarify the process. We know Judas instantly was beside his body, and was accompanied to the slopes. In many cases in other sources, folks who transition to the Astral Planes (Earth Plane) do so instantly. So why is it he was not conscious of that process? Dont know the answer, except it may be that there is always a short period of time lost, and its merelt where you awaken that either points to this, or fails to point to any lost time, and you assume none was lost?

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